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Fernhurst Fracking Application
- Roger Cooper (16th Jan 2014 - 22:48:08)

If you recently received an information sheet about the drilling application in Fernhurst (a prelude to possible future fracking) please fill out the objection form and return it, if you are against industrial development near our vIllage and the destruction of the South Downs National Park. This is a serious local issue and needs a serious response.
Thank You

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- sjenner (17th Jan 2014 - 05:58:43)

You can object online...

planningpublicaccess.southdowns.gov.uk/online-applications/...

or by writing to South Downs National Planning Authority c/o WSCC Planning, 2nd Floor Northleigh, County Hall, Chichester, PO19 1RH, quoting ref: SDNP/13/05896/CM.

Please visit
www.frackfreefernhurst.com/submit-an-objection
for more information.

The planned route of the ensuing service traffic flow to and from the site (bringing drilling equipment etc. and disposing of waste) includes Liphook Town Centre due to its access to the A3.

Do we really want this extra industrial traffic adding to our already unacceptable traffic volumes?

Fernurst is a test case that will lead to many more applications should it succeed.

Even Fernurst's Tory MP Andrew Tyrie is now against this application.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- Frack ON (17th Jan 2014 - 09:55:11)

Some well informed people are in favour and in support of this application and are disgusted at the nimby attitude , the 'bullying ' and scare mongering of so call eco warriors and some of the local residents whose attitudes have been both intimidating and offensive.

Hopefully common sense will prevail and the country can benefit from less reliance on overseas suppliers who are continuously hiking up the price.

It should be noted that the price WE pay for gas / oil is based on the International wholesale price of the product. The price of a barrel of oil will NOT be cheaper because it came from a fracking source. The fracking company will sell the product at the wholesale price. I don't believe that fracking will ever reduce the price of oil, hence our bills will never be reduced because of fracking.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- sjenner (17th Jan 2014 - 10:50:08)

Not to mention the dubious tactics deployed by the fracking companies. Holding public consultations during times when most of us are at work, involving disgraced organisations such as Haliburton for investment, lying and cover ups in the US about the amount of damage done there by the industry.
By well informed people you mean David Cameron and a few Tory MPs and shareholders of Haliburton, Total and CE? Ed Davey has already stated that our energy bills will not reduce as a result with most of Europe kicking the idea into touch.
Not in ANY back yard!

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- Roger Cooper (17th Jan 2014 - 12:23:40)

Lord Browne, ex chairman of BP,and current chairman of Cuadrilla says fracking will NOT bring down UK energy prices (The Guardian 29 November 2013).
Do you think he is well-informed about the UK energy industry?

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- liz (17th Jan 2014 - 12:50:42)

Following on from the editor's comments, our situation is rather different from the US. Difficulties with access, infrastructure (indcluding available rigs, pipelines etc) and lack of scale are likely to mean that the gas/oil produced is not that cheap either. Not worth spoiling our countryside for.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- frack on (17th Jan 2014 - 16:49:06)

..... and did you all object to the multitude of north sea gas pipes which now completely pbscured across our countryside from which we have all benefited
likewise to the oil pipeline from Fawley to Gatwick which passes through to the west of Liphook - and how many lorries a day did that take of our roads?
Fuel prices are decided globally on supply and demand - having our own supply will provide greatly needed income into an economy which despite the current governments efforts is still SPENDING MORE EACH DAY THAN WE EARN


Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- tony (17th Jan 2014 - 17:42:37)

So Lord Browne is running the fracking company that wants to frack around Liphook!

He used to Run BP and this is what Wikipedia says about him:

Cuts and safety record controversy[edit]

Browne is described by journalist and author Tom Bower as responsible for a "ruthless" programme of cost-cutting at BP that compromised safety, and thus the man most responsible for a string of major accidents including the Texas City Refinery explosion (2005) and the Deepwater Horizon explosion (2010). Bower also accuses Browne of tolerating only "sycophants" in his "corporate court", said to include Tony Hayward who succeeded him as BP Chief Executive.[26] Browne has rejected Bower's account, saying that he (Browne) increased the number of engineers appointed to BP.[27]

According to the Guardian newspaper, "Browne's reputation was tarnished by a string of accidents in the US which hastened his retirement", and Browne declined to appear in an hour-long BBC2 documentary on the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in which Tony Hayward was extensively interviewed, broadcast in November 2010.[28]

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BP has spent billions (up to £40 billion and counting) on trying to clear up the Gulf of Mexico disaster and I'll bet you Cuadrilla does not have those resourses if it fracks up here!

Once a fracking well is drilled they turn their drills sideways and can drill for several miles in any direction, so they could be fracking right under YOUR house and you wouldn't know it. Right under Liphook and no need to tell us! Expect house prices to plummet around here and people to move out.



And then there's the secret formula (trade secrets)of highly toxic chemicals they pump under high pressure into the ground, right underneath us! Water gets everywhere, just don't go planting vegetables and forget farming or drinking wells, and while we're talking about it expect water restrictions and price hikes because it's the same tap water they use that we use to drink! Millions of gallons of the stuff!

That's right, TAP WATER!

The hundreds of toxic HGV lorry journies through Liphook Square every week will be the least of our worries! Even if they are self employed subcontractors on time restrictions, commission per job and slowing down for nothing!

Anyone recommend a good estate agent?


Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- Mike Grimes (17th Jan 2014 - 21:22:58)

The other side of this is that North Sea Oil supplies are dwindling.

Last year we had to import 40% of our gas from other countries (mainly Russia)

This is via a pipeline that flows through a series of European countries.

If we had a serious dispute with any of these countries or, indeed, Russia or if Russia had a dispute with one (Ukraine springs to mind) we could find ourselves without gas and, as most of our power stations are gas powered, electricity too. We might have a small amount of electricity when the wind is blowing.

I\'m not extolling the virtues of fracking, I\'m just exposing the risks of not exploiting a local resource.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- tony (18th Jan 2014 - 09:54:35)

Mike, I doubt anyone would argue with your point about resources. But we can't allow the argument to become purely emotional, there are really big concerns here for Liphook.
In the US for example where this new horizontal fracking technique was started (still very much in it's infancy).
They have vast uninhabited miles of empty land to frack, but still environmental reports show serious health risks and pollution to surrounding towns. People turning on their taps and setting light to their water, it's become that polluted. Air quality as the chemical cocktail from the fracking escapes into the atmosphere, the soil, not to mention cancer causing chemical dust, even from the lorries delivering and taking away the poisoned earth and water. Please read this, just one of many reports:

www.earthworksaction.org/issues/...

In the US the debate has become so emotional that apparently the government is issuing gagging orders to stop people complaining or telling what's happened to them or their towns. They argue it's about national fuel security, those who speak out are therefore branded 'traitors' by implication!
You could stand in Time Square dressed as Hitler and say "He was wonderful". Everyone would say "We don't agree with you but we defend your right to say it". But say "fracking is dangerous" and you can get arrested.

We have the right to oppose this, it's banned in most countries across the world because it's hugely poisonous. The area around Liphook is beautiful and we don't want it ruined, many of us have young children whose bodies will be even more susceptible to these chemicals blasted underneath us by the tonne.
We're only just over a mile away from the site, but that means little as fracking is a horizontal mining process, breaking down the ground underneath with high pressure tap water and highly toxic chemicals (a bad combination at any time) from mobile remote drills.
If there is any kind of leak (over and above the expected levels of pollution fracking causes) I expect Cuadrilla will do one of three things:
1)Deny everything for years, viciously defending all claims and allegations and hiding behind their politicians, bought and paid for
2)Declare bankruptcy because they don't have the billions to clear it up, first making sure they've taken their profits back to Australia and New York where the owners come from
3) Say sorry and pay for everything.
Your guess is as good as mine!
Once they're under us blasting their horizontal fracking tunnels and saturating the ground below us with tonnes of chemicals to break the rock apart, it will be too late to moan. In the event of an undetectable leak we and our kids just cope with the consequences, worst case scenario they evacuate Liphook and in 30 years time someone will say "didn't there used to be a town there?" "Yes, apparently the houses are still there behind the barbed wire and keep out signs"
And I bet we don't even end up with £10 a year off our gas bills! I'd rather turn the boiler off for a day and save all this hassle!


Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- RC (18th Jan 2014 - 21:03:09)

Now,now Tony, Please re-read your opening sentence. I think you may have become a bit emotional there. You'll give us eco-warrior-anti-everything-loony-lefty-head-in-the-sand types a bad name.
Please stick to the point.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- tony (19th Jan 2014 - 16:00:24)

RC, you've got me bang to rights. Perhaps I care too much.
Tell you what, I'm going to chill out and dream of that £10.00 a year off my gas bills.
And I've just realised I'll be OK because I live on the Hewshott Lane side of the village!
Cheers.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- tony (3rd Feb 2014 - 10:07:47)

I just read this on the BBC News site and thought it would be of interest to anyone concerned about fracking under their property.

I know that there are different opinions on this, strong arguments both for and against. I\'m against it as I think the harm will outweigh the benefits and find it reassuring that there are people in the next village putting up such a spirited (and doubtless expensive) defence too. Good luck to them.

Landowners in the Sussex Downs National Park are mounting a "legal blockade" to block a potential fracking site.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/...

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- frack on (3rd Feb 2014 - 10:54:29)

with such head in the sands attitude I find it quite amazing that we are all happily driving around in motorcars causing daily loss and disablement for life and untold damage to the environment.
..frack on - better for the country , better for the economy and better the future

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- bdavies (3rd Feb 2014 - 11:49:33)

Amazing that "Chief executive Geoff Davies told the BBC that it had earmarked 250,000 acres for exploration and this was just "one well of many we're planning". Who is this bloke that he thinks he has so much control over the situation? He can plan all he likes in his dream world.

Frack-on, you are seriously deluded if you think that this is better for the country unless of course you are one of Celtique's shareholders.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- liz (3rd Feb 2014 - 13:30:39)

Frack on. I think it's you whose's got your head in the sand if you think fracking in the UK is the solution for our future energy needs.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- A. Ryan (3rd Feb 2014 - 14:47:38)

I agree Liz, Frack on has either got a stake in this business or is thoroughly delusional to think it will not cause problems.

Please let us know how you believe this is totally safe for decades to come, I would love to know how you have drawn up this conclusion.

I for one will sue the pants off of any company that does create a problem.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- J (4th Feb 2014 - 12:03:47)

Everybody who is so against this have probably got genuine concerns but I feel they are misplaced.

I doubt anyone in Liphook will actually be aware of any fracking when it takes place.

And as already mentioned don't forget North Sea oil supplies are fast running out. Will all those people against fracking be willing to have no central heating and no car?

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- liz (4th Feb 2014 - 14:58:07)

J

You might notice the huge lorries and gas flaring but maybe not (!). Also the likely scale of fracking in the UK in terms of both volume and duration are not really comparable to North Sea production. We're not talking long life fields here - but we are talking high drilling intensity - is it really worth all the disruption?

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- S (4th Feb 2014 - 16:42:51)

J

I think you are being short sighted.

It is all very well to take the stance of "oh well we probably won't see any direct impacts here in Liphook".

But firstly, there is a very good chance that we WILL see the impacts. All equipment and transport is very likely to pass through Liphook centre from the A3 before it reaches Fernhurst. We already see heavy volumes of traffic and frequent complaints about this.

I wonder now if there may be some connection between this fracking application and the idea that is being thrown around of a through road bypassing the square across the fields near Bohunt. (I would personally object to this plan anyway because unnecessary habitat fragmentation should be avoided in my opinion).

Liphook is just 5 kilometres from Fernhurst, the fracking can extend 2km horizontally which leaves us just 3km from the site. We may see pollution to our water supplies and air pollution from the site is inevitable.

Even if we put the direct impacts on Liphook aside, we must consider the greater impact that will be felt by our neighbours in Fernhurst. We should support them and the Frack Free Fernhurst campaign as much as we can.

Besides local concerns, fracking is a terrible idea for the UK in general, whether it's in our own back yard or not: the environmental impacts are huge compared to the benefits that fracking will bring: short term monetary gain to a very small number of people, for a very limited time because we simply do not have large enough amounts shale gas in the UK to make fracking a long-term enterprise.

The energy extracted from it will be negligible - it will barely scratch the surface of UK demand.

This government is subsidising the fracking industry with tax breaks and is working overtime to market the idea to us - why?

It is obvious this is no long-term solution, it damages the UK's environmental position (as do a multitude of actions our current government has taken), and diverts money that should be being invested into achieving goals set by the EU to implement renewable energy - if we miss these goals the government will throw more money away paying the EU's fines!

We must ask why are the government so keen on this?
And I believe the answer lies with the same reason the government are keen on anything: money - our government is in bed with the fracking industry and we are going to pay the price:
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/...

I desperately hope that people will realise this and grab the opportunity to take action and stand up for our environment while we still can.

It will be disgraceful if fracking is permitted within the South Downs National Park and it CAN be stopped with enough objections to the application and enough people acting.

Activists are not just crazy hippies chaining themselves to trees - we need to step out from behind our computer screens and be activists - attend the meetings, participate in the events, go to the protests, and do what we can to stop this mistake being made. We will not be able to repair the fractures in our environment once they have been made.

(p.s I have no affiliation to Frack Free Fernhurst or anyone else).

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- yes to frack on (4th Feb 2014 - 21:03:25)

.......... so much paranoia and nimbyism and did we have this fuss when the north sea gas trunk mains crisscrossed our countryside , is there any lasting evidence or damage where they went? ....and when the Fawley to Gatwick airport pipeline passed though this area I suspect the majority of residents were unaware and totally unaffected by the works .
i didn't see so much fuss over the construction of Hindhead tunnel which has substantially increased the local traffic ....oh and of course incresed the value of those fortunate enough to own their own home
it would appear that the anti fracking lobby are selfinterested scaremongering and quite ill informed

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- A. Ryan (4th Feb 2014 - 22:16:57)

Pipe lines carrying gas under ground hardly compare to blasting carcinogenic chemicals like: Lead, Uranium, Hydrochloric acid, Mercury, ethylene glycol , formaldehyde and radium into the substructure.
If you damage the underpinning it is not rocket science to expect earth movement. Possible sinkholes?

This island is small and is getting smaller all the time with erosion, and these company's are willing to play Russian Roulette with it for profit, make no bones about it.

Again I would ask, as this is a relatively new idea how are they so sure it is safe, please let us know of your findings. Convince me.
The problem is we have greed, and we have those that do not care. I for one will be there opposing it, and I am no nimby.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- liz (5th Feb 2014 - 08:41:43)

'yes to frack on'

You are missing the point. Pipelines were built because the enormous reserves in the North Sea had long lives and would be producing for years. If the same could be said for shale it might be worth the disruption but it can't. I notice BP have said they will not pursue fracking in the UK because the Macondo oil spill in the US could leave them vulnerable to protests. It's more likely they do not see it as profitable - non of the other oil majors are taking an interest either.

Your comment on house prices suggests you are coming from a position of 'chip on shoulder'!

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- Paul E (5th Feb 2014 - 09:52:28)

How is it that it appears fuel cost have dropped quite dramatically in the USA but so many objectors say it won't happen here?

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- liz (5th Feb 2014 - 10:51:20)

Simply because US oil and gas prices are set domestically as it does not export oil or gas onto the international markets (except some to Canada). It is illegal to export US crude oil. . Some exports of gas as LNG are being allowed but the first terminal is not expected to be completed until about 2016.There are some proposals to change the law to allow
crude oil exports - but don't hold your breath.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- Harry G (5th Feb 2014 - 15:43:12)

All UK produced gas has to be exported and then bought again, EEC directives state that we cannot keep what we produce as we are part of a consortium of consumer countries.

The best we can hope for is to help increase supplies thus reducing the cost but we are always subject to the market price and even optimistic production forecasts still indicate that our global contribution will be negligible.

It isn't worth it from an environmental point of view and we really do not want our countryside trashed like some swathes of the US have been.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- A. Ryan (7th Feb 2014 - 19:36:19)

Well done to Lord Cowdray who according to the Haslemere Herald has mounted a legal challenge to any government who permits fracking beneath his land.
Let's hope we have more landowners stepping up to this.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- Alan (13th Mar 2014 - 09:18:02)

A couple of recent news articles worth mentioning.

"Fracking has the potential to devastate wildlife habitats across the UK, says research commissioned by leading wildlife and countryside groups."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment...

"Ohio Fracking Operation Halted Following Area Earthquakes"

www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/12/...

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- tony (11th Apr 2014 - 20:31:17)

As one of 5 sites chosen for fracking in the south, this is an important development all households around here should consider.

finance.yahoo.com/news/...

Liphook is just over a mile from the nearest proposed fracking site, across sandy sandstone hills, the potential for both porous leaks into the water table and quakes (causing structural damage to properties up to several miles away) is real.

The Fracking industry are currently pressuring the UK government to discard centuries old common law principles of trespass, in order to allow them to frack underneath our properties without our permission, throwing away ancient freeholders rights to ownership of the land underneath their feet.

This is the only way they will be able to frack underneath YOUR house without you knowing or being able to object.

Knowing a little about how the lobbying industry works, they will bung a bit of cash (election fund contributions), employ a few ex ministers and bypass democracy altogether.

Please don't be fooled into thinking they care mainly about your fuel bills, that comes way down their list of priorities.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- john (26th Apr 2014 - 11:25:41)

I am totally in favour of fracking which has had an enormous positive impact on the economy in the U.S. (eg 1300 $ per year for each American). A large number of companies have returned back to the States after previously having off-shored. Nearly all the activity occurs underground. The majority of protests in the UK have been organized by the hard-left.
Reserves of 200 trillion cubic feet of gas are estimated from just one area of the UK.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- Fracton (26th Apr 2014 - 16:22:53)

In response to the last message above:
1) benefits to local residents from UK fracking are yet to be detailed / secured.
2) whilst these are yet to materialise, legislation for fracking is proceeding. Thank goodness to those 'hard left' who are trying to achieve what is good for us all. (I am not politically left wing)
3) the economical benefits you listed in the USA case may (or may not) be true. there is more to life than money and economy. "job creation" should not be used as an end-of to all arguments.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- liz (28th Apr 2014 - 15:13:41)

John - I suggest you get a map of the US and look at oil and gas shale distribution. Then I suggest you do the same with the UK. Then superimpose one on the other. That should explaim some of the scale (not a typo) issues. Rig density is very high and production life short - even if the geology is OK - oil companies not having much success in Poland. We could ruin our countryside for little gain.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- James (5th May 2014 - 16:32:20)

Im in favour of fracking it seems immoral not to when there are people in this county who have to decide between heating and eating. Buying gas from Mr Putin doesnt seem like a secure longterm plan either.I heard a green party member say recently that fracking would cause radioactive waste. There are lots of looney left nimbys that have been mobilised on this subject. If people want to have less lorries they should stop using amazon or shopping in super markets.

James, your arguments don't add up. Fracking will NOT reduce the price you pay for gas. The wholesale price of gas will not be affected by fracking.

Small shops have to have lorries deliver to them as well.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- tony (5th May 2014 - 17:45:47)

I've just read this interesting article on yahoo;

/uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/...

It surprised me as much as it will probably surprise you. It puts the Fernhurst lorry campaign (if you remember it) into perspective. I always had worries about the large number of fracking lorries pouring through the narrow Square every day (100 plus?), paid per load, with the narrow pavements and mums, pushchairs and toddlers trying to squeeze through.
We already see coaches and lorries mounting the pavement every morning just to get past.
In London over 50% of all fatalities are from HGVs, they just can't see pedestrians beneath them due to the high sided driving position!
Add that to their current government lobbying for the right to frack underneath our homes without our permission (overturning our ancient land ownership rights), earthquakes (check your insurance policy, I bet it's not covered), water source contamination, soil contamination, air pollution, some of which the industry admits, some it disputes, there's no doubt that it shouldn't be taking place so close to a town like ours.
Even in the US, most fracking sites are 100's of miles from the nearest towns, they are still hugely controversial.
I think we're about to be the fall guys for greed.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- Gassy (6th May 2014 - 07:06:38)

In total agreement with The Editor and Tony, I would like to say that James\'s argument from yesterday is not only illogical but also vulgar.
1) IF American / West European fracked gas is quite so cheap, then we could import it from them rather than Russia, IF. The supply of fuel from Russia had proven more reliable then from elsewhere.
2) Renewable energy is ultimately cheaper than ANY fossil fuel.
3) Online shopping reduces volume of traffic.
4) People who can\'t afford to heat their homes will find supermarket food more affordable than elsewhere.
5) One may disagree with the Greens and the left-wing without such derogative choice of words.

Down with fossil fuels, down with fracking.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- liz (6th May 2014 - 08:35:04)

There may be some so called "loony left nimbies" who think fracking causing radioactive waste - and they make as much sense as the loonies who think that fracking in the UK will significantly reduce the cost of our gas supplies.

Fracking in the US could, all other things being equal (and assuming the Russians don't restrict supplies) reduce the cost of global gas because of the scale of production. - But the gas is not sold outside the US at the moment because there are no LNG exporting facilties in place - but the first are due on line in 2015.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- Mike (6th May 2014 - 10:19:21)

I know this thread is about fracking in particular, I'll come to that in a moment, but it has also become about fossil fuels in general.

Have you ever wondered why, when driving past a wind farm where none of the blades is turning, electricity is still flowing to the majority of homes as normal?

Where is this electricity coming from?

Yes, it is coming from a fossil fuel powered power station and, as you cannot just switch on a power station (it takes hours to "warm up") this must continue running whilst the wind is blowing so that it is there for when it isn't.

Electricity output from wind farms is often quoted in terms of "capacity" and this is often confused with "output" which are far from the same, output rarely being more than 25% of capacity.

This is why so-called renewable energy cost 10 times as much to generate as fossil fuel energy and about 5 times as much as nuclear.

Wind farms work in a country such as Norway where the output can be balanced with Hydro generation (which can be switched on and off) but as we do not have suitable terrain for mass hydro generation, it is not applicable here.

Onto fracking, I do not believe this technology will lead to lower energy prices and the risks to communities where it is being undertaken do not seem to be properly understood nor mitigated against. However I understand that the shale around Balcombe (and presumably Fernhurst as well) is described as "already fracked" so this particular shale will not respond to hydraulic fracturing. Where viable, gas will still be extracted by other means but scaremongering continues in the area because it suits the anti fossil fuel brigade.

Fossil fuel reserves are finite so use needs to balanced with other methods of generation which is why I find the country's lack of investment in nuclear generation absurdly naive.

The project to generate power from the extreme tidal differences in the Severn estuary has failed to get the necessary backing possibly because it does not benefit those who have investments in the flawed wind industry.

Let's hope that nuclear fusion becomes an affordable solution before the others run out.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- Gassy (6th May 2014 - 20:24:19)

Sustainability through diversification. Efficiency through reduced consumption.
A good mix of renewables, nuclear and fossil fuel is the way forward. Sadly the latter gains far more resources than the former. This is probably due to the ill-educated fossil fuel fat cats, their over-capacity for fossil fuels and the general slow progress of conservative (not just the Conservative Party) thuggish decision makers.
It's all to easy to point at idle wind turbine and say: they're no good. But much easier to blame fossil fuel-driven economy for much of the wrong on the planet (CO2, other fumes, leaks, slicks, wars, empowerment of tyrants/terrorists, landscape destruction, accidents, traffic and much more)...
The trick is to get use to the complex reality of a better energy mix alongside smart ways of energy efficiency.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- A concerned resident (22nd May 2014 - 13:31:58)

Just wanted to bump this back up and bring it back to people\'s attention. We have until 25th May to object to this proposal.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- bdavies (22nd May 2014 - 15:09:30)

Frack on and others,
The inference that anyone disagreeing with this scrag-end industry is a NIMBY really is scraping the bottom of the septic tank of responses. If being a NIMBY means protecting your immediate neighbourhood from the environmental catastrophe resulting from the dreams and aspirations of a load of arrogant, out of town industrialists hoping to make a fast buck then we are all NIMBYs at heart, proud to be so and sporting the tattoos.
If you think that fracking and its product will make a positive difference to your quality of life then please advise us all what that improvement entails (no one yet has managed to do this cogently and convincingly).
If you are employees or amongst the financial backers of Celtique or Cuadrilla, then don't bother, we already know.

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- bdavies (23rd May 2014 - 16:19:47)

Please see the Open consultation on land access rights and respond if you want to using the mail link in the web page.

www.gov.uk/government/consultations/...

Re: Fernhurst Fracking Application
- steve (23rd May 2014 - 21:36:35)

Given that it looks increasingly likely that extraction of these oil or gas resources will go ahead, perhaps local pressure should be refocused of achieving some positive benefits for local communities such as a much needed ring road for liphook?

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