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Village Plan and Bohunt - liz (4th Jan 2012 - 14:39:19) Any update? I appreciate people will not have had much spare time over the Christmas period. Meanwhile, according to the Herald, it seems that the owners of Bohunt Manor (was Geriwell Management, now 'Green Village Investments' - one and the same no doubt) are pressing ahead with their plans for Liphook. No small sheds on your allotments it seems - just 'Community Barns'. I thought the point of an allotment was your own little space... Seems some fruit trees are to be planted which is nice ...so much less hassle to get rid of eventually (if you want to build a housing/industrial estate) than the oak trees that have already been cut down.

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - helen (4th Jan 2012 - 17:45:49) I have heard that the allotments will cost 250 pound per year. Also, any structure will need planning permission.

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - liz (5th Jan 2012 - 09:03:58) According to the Herald article 'Green Village Investments' intend to apply for planning permission for the 'Community' sheds. How much is the usual annual rent for an allotment? Recent BBC news item, had people 'up in arms' because their cost had risen from £25 to £40 a year! www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - Chris S (5th Jan 2012 - 09:38:16) When I had a allotment in Woking 5 years ago the annual rent was about £20pa. This was for a plot probably 20 yards x 10 yards and included a water supply. Chris

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - helen (5th Jan 2012 - 10:18:50) GVi would be running these as private allotments and can charge what they like..

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - liz (5th Jan 2012 - 12:13:02) ...And if there is no interest they can say the allotments are 'surplus to requirements'. Then the land with its large 'community' sheds would then be put forward as ripe for development. Quite a harvest!

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - g renouf (8th Jan 2012 - 09:35:59) Does anybody have contact details for geriwell or gvi web search does not come up with a direct link ??? Maybe if we contact them we may get some more acurate details ( I did say " may " !!!) And get an application form for an allotment.

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - liz (9th Jan 2012 - 14:05:24) You probably have to apply through the local authority but I don't know it they are available yet. Suspect Geriwell Management/Green Village Investments will want their Community Sheds approved first - not going to be a very attractive 'gateway' to the National Park. Pity, because it will make Liphook a less attractive tourist destination.

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - helen (11th Jan 2012 - 23:02:06) These are private allotments nothing to do with the local authority, they are not involved with private allotments.

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - liz (12th Jan 2012 - 09:15:28) Interesting. So solely a private rental agreement? Just illustrates how misleading the word 'Community' can be in the context of 'Community allotments' and 'Community farm' - not that this is a surprise!. I would be interested to know what the rental charge would be if anyone manages to find out....

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - Chris S (12th Jan 2012 - 13:03:03) In the design and access statement for this planning application it states '8.15 The allotments will be managed by the Parish Council who will be responsible for enforcing a code of conduct.' So unless things have changed the Parish Council are managing them. Whether they are thefore involved in the rent piece or not I don't know.

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - Councillor Barbara Easton (12th Jan 2012 - 15:50:15) This was probably a statement made by Geriwell? There has been no discussions on behalf of the Parish Council re the allotments with Green Village Investments. The planning app is maybe 3 years old?

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - liz (12th Jan 2012 - 16:06:57) If its part of the design and access statement then it must, as far as I'm aware, be adhered to for the planning permission to be valid. Planning application logged as received 13 Nov 2009, validated Feb 2010. Can't find decision date but assume it is after then. Seems odd that the PC would manage private allotments - the whole thing is rather unclear.

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - Councillor Barbara Easton (12th Jan 2012 - 17:42:53) A design and access statement proposed by the developer does not form part of the Permission. The Permission received for the Bohunt land is Outline Permission. If, on the decision letter, EHDC put in conditions,on the permission relating to the Outline plans, for allotments, I would be very surprised.

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - liz (16th Jan 2012 - 09:34:11) Except from planning guidelines on www.communities.gov.uk : "... the Local Planning Authority should ensure that the development approved by an outline Planning Permission is constrained to the parameters described in the Design and Access statement submitted with the application....". Probably advisory rather than compulsory I suppose and no doubt will be conveniently ignored by all. Rather makes a mockery of the whole system.

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - Dawn Hoskins (16th Jan 2012 - 10:10:05) The Planning Committee meeting is tonight. I expect it is on the agenda?

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - liz (16th Jan 2012 - 11:48:38) Doesn't appear to be. Outline pp has been granted and the next stage i.e. proposals for the 'Community' sheds etc. have only got as far as an article in the Herald so I wouldn't expect it to be on the agenda. - Unless there was an update on the Village Plan but can't see that either.

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - Councillor Barbara Easton (16th Jan 2012 - 12:13:10) No it is not on the agenda, as there have been no further plans submitted. As far as I am aware, no one from GVI has mentioned transferring ownership of the land associated with the allotments to the Parish Council, so that is why it is a private scheme.

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - liz (16th Jan 2012 - 13:51:08) It is a private scheme but the landowners have indicated that they expect it to be managed by the Parish Council. Or was that just a ruse to indicate Parish Council approval?! There is of course also Planning Permission for a football field and cricket pitch. Do we know how are these are likely to be funded?

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - Councillor Barbara Easton (16th Jan 2012 - 15:28:13) That again is only outline permission;in my opinion, and I stress my opinion, there has to be many future bridges to be crossed, as there has been no proposal by GVI to the Parish Council in this regard. The same applies as to the allotment land, as any putative structures would need planning permission. Until there are definite plans put in by the owners it is no use speculating surely?

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - liz (16th Jan 2012 - 17:14:29) I'm afraid that's how developers succeed - no-one, apart from them, seems prepared to think ahead. I thought the Village Plan was a step in the right direction but it all seems to have gone a bit quiet.... hence this post...

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - helen (16th Jan 2012 - 17:56:31) A parish plan does not mean that developers have to give or sell land to the Parish Council. You could have all the plans you like, what is important is who owns the land and whether any plans would suceed given that the land is in the south downs national park. Perhaps there are people who also think we do not need the houses they propose along side facilities? Why have THEY not put plans forward? There is unlikely to be compulsory purchase these days.

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - matt (16th Jan 2012 - 18:35:29) Hi, I appreciate I am coming to this all rather late as a new resident. I presume that the Village Plan is a strategic plan for the development of the village? I also assume that responsibility for the delivery of the plan is owned by the Parish council? Could someone point me in the direction of the online copy or direct me to whomever I can acquire it from? I'd also be interested to see how progress is being made against the delivery milestones for the objectives if they're available. Thanks

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - liz (17th Jan 2012 - 09:19:16) Helen National Park status does not rule out development. A village/parish/ or local plan will be taken into account by planners when looking at developers' proposals. It would set out the longer term requirements for both housing and infrastructure, taking into account what is existing that needs to be preserved and what can be foregone. Most surrounding villages have something in place, Liphook at present has nothing. Wasn't quite sure about your point on compulsory purchase orders - have too many potential 'development' areas around Liphook at the moment (in my view) rather than too few!

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - helen (17th Jan 2012 - 09:34:35) There is a link to the parish plan website, but I believe the plan is not complete-I believe it is significant but only once completed and submitted to EHDC, who formalised their plans for the next 20 years in terms of the core strategy for the area and also the LDF. From what I know of other areas theirs were completed 2 years or more ago.

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - liz (17th Jan 2012 - 09:35:21) .. And if local residents don't take up the intitiative then developers try and guide policy...e.g. www.easthants.gov.uk/ehdc/... One has to love the 'skewed' scoring scheme they came up with to put Bohunt Manor at the top of the list ! The deliberate large jumps in the scores, for instance... Railway station - 4 for 1000m BUT 8 for 600m Town Centre - 4 for 1000m BUT 8 for 750m If they had used the same scoring i.e 5 follows 4 then the results would have been different. And - are there really buses every 20 minutes on the Portsmouth Road ? But they are paid to 'spin' - just like the government!

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - Dawn Hoskins (17th Jan 2012 - 11:13:14) To Matt, The Village Plan is not run by the Parish Council. It is led by local residents / interested parties. If you think you could contribute you can contact them via thier webpage. It sounds like you and Liz are interested, so maybe you could go along to the next meeting and give us some feedback.

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - liz (17th Jan 2012 - 12:23:54) Dawn According to the latest information on the Parish Plan website some Parish Councillors are (or perhaps were, who can tell) involved - including you! So perhaps you could give us an update to start with! I did get some of the orginal forms but did not receive a reply to my emails when trying to find where to send them back to.

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - helen (17th Jan 2012 - 14:29:36) Hi Liz a thought occurred to me- you seem very clued up! Do you work for EHDC by any chance?

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - liz (18th Jan 2012 - 08:08:55) No, I do not work for EHDC or any council or local authority (although I'm not sure why that should be important). I do know how to use Google though!!

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - Jeanette (18th Jan 2012 - 10:33:27) I appreciate it seems that the Village Plan has gone quiet but now that EHDC have announced their draft Joint Core Strategy it is another large document that has to be read through and actually used when it comes to writing up our Plan. It is still in draft form and open to consultation so look online (it is not available as hard copy). Consideration also has to be given to the Localism Bill and Sustainability Act. Bohunt is a part (albeit quite significant part) of the overall plan. Anyone can have an input so please get in touch; comments on this site are also taken into consideration.

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - helen (18th Jan 2012 - 12:13:23) I do not think Bohunt is included in EHDCs plans? It is not considered even a reserve site for housing. It would have to include the National Parks views on development and as yet they have not formulated their plan. I think if you click on the core strategy document it is no longer open for local consultation.

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - liz (18th Jan 2012 - 13:30:00) I think I read somewhere (the Herald?) that the core plan was completed so I presumed not open for local consultation. It was a bit of a surprise as I had never heard of it - I wonder exactly who was consulted. Unfortunately I am not as well connected as Helen seems to think. She does seem to have good planning contacts though (or spends even more time on internet searches/EHDC website!) Let's hope Jeanette is correct and there is still scope for local input.

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - Jeanette (18th Jan 2012 - 14:38:05) The need for improved medical and sports facilities IS included in EHDC\'s plans and approval has been given for them to be on part of Bohunt Manor. The question is whether we are naive enough to believe that that is all the developers want to build lgiven that developers are there to make profit . I take it that many people still want straightforward allotments at a nominal annual charge?

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - liz (18th Jan 2012 - 16:52:18) I would expect there to be strong demand for traditional allotments at a nominal charge. Is it worth starting a separate thread to address this and other issues over which we might still, perhaps, have some input?

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - helen (19th Jan 2012 - 00:34:13) If you search the EHDC website the GL hearn document is on there, I think a previous thread on here had a link to it, in that document are detailed plans for their wishlist, including houses! Planning is only outline, and the land was sold on last year to GVi probably at a large profit due to getting the outline permission.

Re: Village Plan and Bohunt - liz (19th Jan 2012 - 08:08:32) Helen The link to the document you mention is included in my post of 17 Jan. Are you sure the land has been sold? I suspect the ultimate owners of Geriwell Management and GVI are one and the same. Probably a network of trusts.

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