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Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Paul Robinson (15th Jul 2012 - 13:37:03) BOHUNT MANOR FRONTAGE LAND Reserved Matters Planning Application You are invited to attend the Bramshott & Liphook Parish Council Planning Committee Meeting, to be held on Monday 16th July 2012 at 8.00pm in the Parish Office, when the Reserved Matters Planning Application regarding the proposed medical centre on Bohunt Manor frontage land is to be considered. The planning application, plans and conceptual drawings will be available for inspection in the Parish Office between the hours of 10.00am to 1.00pm and 2.00pm to 4.00pm on the day and, at the planning meeting in the evening, time will be set aside for residents to express their opinions on this proposed development. Further information regarding this meeting can be obtained by telephoning the Parish Office on 01428 722988. Councillor Paul Robinson

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Kevin (15th Jul 2012 - 15:39:57) Sorry to change the subject ever so slightly but is there any news on the proposed new sports fields???? It seems its not been mentioned for a while again!!

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - liz (16th Jul 2012 - 09:11:28) Who will be funding the medical centre?

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Nosey Rosie (16th Jul 2012 - 10:56:13) Will we be able to view the plans for Liphook United's new football ground, after all 50 adult players and 300 youth and junior players would like to see where they will be playing in the not so distant future.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - andrew ellis (16th Jul 2012 - 13:57:11) there used to be old football pitch up on the army land next to waggoners wells . . not sure if this could be used or would be any good to liphook united but it may be worth looking at or asking parish council . . .

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - dawn hoskins (16th Jul 2012 - 16:03:06) I am not on planning as it irritates me too much, but please Liphook can you remember that the Parish Council do not own this land. Land we own we can decide what to do with, but not stuff that (a) does not belong to us, and (b) we cannot afford to buy even if we wanted to. It worries me that there is a general idea in the village that the Parish Council are going to provide allotments and facilities on the land when we don't own it. I suppose that may be because of the manner in which it has been reported? The plans are being put forward by the property developer as a sweetner for getting houses built on it. We have no say as to what the developer will put forward and can only make comment on what he does submit. As far as I am aware - neither medical practice in our village is interested in moving from their premesis or going into partnership with the other. They like being separate practices and want to stay that way. If you have questions and want straight answers - go to the planning meeting and ask. Again, the Parish Council are a very small voice in the scheme of things here as the South Downs National Park and EHDC make the decisions.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - liz (16th Jul 2012 - 16:12:41) It said in the planning application that the Parish Council would manage the allotments - implying a community project. Perhaps the application is therefore invalid.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Dr Julian Bashforth (16th Jul 2012 - 17:08:48) I feel I must respond to the comment above from Dawn Hoskins. It is simply not correct to state that "neither medical practice in our village is interested in moving from their premesis or going into partnership with the other". If that were the case we would not have been involved in lengthy discussions with each other and the developer over the last few years. The plan is to move into a single premises but operate both surgeries independently. The problem has been identifying and agreeing funding in the current economic climate and with all the changes the NHS is undergoing.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - S (16th Jul 2012 - 17:29:08) JUST SAY NO! Gosh do they think people were born yesterday sweet talking us with thoughts of a new medical centre which we do not need, to go with a bunch of MORE brand new houses which we do not need... I know there is supposed to be a need for new housing but I feel Liphook has way more than done it's bit in this respect - 30 years ago half of Liphook's current residents wouldn't recognise it! They sugared the pill of the Sainsburys development with the Millenium Hall and now it's happening again - What we need is a butchers, greengrocers etc.. Cant we stop building and start working with what we have. The old UHD site will be gone soon too, just as it has stopped looking like an eye-sore and grown some nice natural undergrowth.... We do not need more buildings, we need more trees! The developers also ripped out the hedgerow from the front land at Bohunt Manor in the Spring of last year, which they should NOT have got away with, destroying hedgerow in the nesting season is completely against environmental regulations... But hey, lets just build some more houses, maybe we will get a shiny new medical centre and a square of astro turf out of it!!!

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Dawn Hoskins (16th Jul 2012 - 18:22:01) Dear Julian, I am not trying to make people cross and am not on planning, so I don't know the ins and outs of all the lengthy discussions. I am only speaking of what I am aware about so if people want to get all the info they need to go to the meetings and ask questions of the people who know the answers. I only comment as I am worried that people think it is up to the Parish Council to develop this bit of land, I am concerned that people are expecting us to provide a pitch, allotments, a new Doctors etc when it is not in our gift to do so. I think we as a Parish Council may be getting blamed for inaction when it is nothing really to do with us. But thank you for commenting - it is good to have as much conversation about it as possible.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Tina (16th Jul 2012 - 19:10:26) What happened to all the plans and big ideas that I went to look at many years ago in the millieum hall. Have they all changed again, I guess they have if there is no football pitch now. The plans were cricket pitch in front, football at the back and then the other side of the driveway a medical centre and eco housing. What is it now, just housing I suppose, and I am in agreement with many others. I have lived in Liphook most of my 40 years and its not what is was, too much housing and not enough of the community spirit. Yes plenty of people wanting to use the services of Guides, scout, football club and to watch the carnival but nobody prepared to actually give up their time to help as they work and are busy. Guess what so are the rest of us. Guess I better have a look at these plans and see what the money making developers are asking to build on land that for years was a nature reserve. I can not beleive that the World Wildlife fund sold it on, thats one charity I never support anymore.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Peter R (19th Jul 2012 - 17:18:30) May I make a suggestion to Dawn, without anyone jumping down my throat or myself appearing to be “cross” which is a word Dawn has used on more than one occasion when she replies to postings on Talkback, that she does not comment or reply to postings about which she knows nothing. By her own admission she is not on the planning committee because, and I quote “it irritates me too much” so therefore by inference she is not in a position to comment or advise on planning matters. People who involve themselves in subjects about which they are not properly informed only “muddy” the waters, create confusion and this could make people cross. However I am definitely not “cross” just very puzzled as to why she keeps doing it. Surely it should be someone on the planning committee who answers the postings concerning planning if indeed the Parish Council feel they need to be answered on Talkback. However touching her remarks may be by wanting to protect the Parish Council as they may be getting blamed for inaction, this seems to be overkill. I am sure that Bramshott and Liphook Parish Council can speak for itself.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - jeanette (19th Jul 2012 - 23:22:17) I went to the planning meeting on Monday, have gone on the internet and reviewed much of the documentation relating to Bohunt and being a complete cynic have read between the lines of what the developers really have in mind for Bohunt. It appears it all started when the developers asked EHDC what the good people of Liphook wanted for their community. Sports facilities, new medical facilities and allotments were among the suggestions. So the developers put in planning applications (pre South Downs National Park) and got the community excited. However all of this comes at a price - the developers have made it clear that only by having housing on Bohunt are these community facilities going to be implemented. Destroying the ancient hedgerow along the roadside and digging up part of the land have fooled many people into believing that developers have got full planning permission - they haven\'t! The fancy allotments are a fantastic PR exercise but a small outlay for the developers compared to the potential millions to be made from housing. The latest application for these allotments is for a community barn. Given the isolation of the site, the next application will be for security personnel to be on site - easy for conversion to residential use and onward to housing. The medical facilities on the current planning application will completely destroy the phenominal views across our corner of the national park. I am told that other sites within Liphook have now become available which could accommodate the two surgeries. This is a potentially awful situation which could destroy Liphook as a village and wonderful community. As a start as many people as possible need to comment on the two applications and as soon as possible as closing date may be as early as 2 AUGUST. Go to www.southdowns.gov.uk/planning/search and type in 12/00455/REM for the medical facilities and 12/00780/FUL for the community farm building.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Jeanette (20th Jul 2012 - 11:40:10) I want to clarify my last post about the proposed medical centre. The two surgeries, many Liphook residents and myself included obviously think new medical services would be great for Liphook. What I want to stress is having it situated where it will destroy our views across the South Downs National Park is not acceptable, especially since alternative sites are now becoming available and funding for this site seems to be a problem. Putting in objections to the application as it stands will give Liphook more time to consider alternatives. Objections to consider are: The proposed building dominates and is detrimental to the landscape and appearance of the SDNP. It is not sustainable development, because it encourages the use of cars as there is no local bus route to the site, It is not within reasonable walking distance for the majority of Liphook residents. It is on the outskirts of Liphook and a long distance especially for the elderly residents at Bramshott Place, Tower Road and all the hamlets. No provision has been made for the safe crossing for pedestrians across the Portsmouth Road. In fact it will be extremely dangerous given the new road and roundabout layout. The height of the proposed building will adversely affect the current residents of the Portsmouth Road will loss of light and privacy. These are typical of the reasons why the SDNPA rejected the Gospel Hall! Please put in your objections if only to give more time to ensure the medical facilities are in the best place at the right cost for ALL of Liphook!

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - dawn (20th Jul 2012 - 12:31:02) Dear Peter, I hope that I never jump down anyone’s throat and I am genuine when I say that I do not wish to make anyone cross – so I am quite happy in what I have said. I would say that just because I am not on planning does not mean that I know nothing this topic. I know a lot about it. My point is a valid one. Parishioners have been led to believe that this is a fait accompli. We have had a number of people at meetings asking us why we haven’t yet built the allotments or the pitch – as if it were up to us. I do not know how they have come to the conclusion that the Parish Council have anything to do with it, but it is an incorrect one that needs to be put right. That is the point I wanted to make. Am I allowed to do that?

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - bdavies (20th Jul 2012 - 13:56:46) The thing is Liphook cannot accomodate Lowsely Farm AND Bohunt Manor. In fact it would be great if neither of these ever came to pass. The problem in Liphook is that there is not enough determined and consistent opposition. The Parish Council says it is powerless to work against EHDC in these decisions but I know of plenty Parish Councils that fight tooth and nail to prevent the district councils from getting what they want at the expense of local opinion and they often win. We have a local plan in the pipeline which excludes both of these housing schemes and we should stick to that.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Jeanette (20th Jul 2012 - 15:53:23) The Parish Plan encompasses a lot of community issues such as education, youth, infrastructure, businesses in the area, the elderly in addition to some planning issues but it can't say we dont want houses. Liphook still has to comply with legal issues and unfortunately outline planning permission has been granted for houses to be built on Lowsley Farm, it always was listed as reserve housing. No permission has been given for houses on Bohunt Manor because the only applications so far have been for the sports, medical and allotments. These are the sweeteners. This is the ploy by the developers because these are key issues for residents and groups within the village. The developers want to stir everyone to be so desperate for these facilities, like having the proverbial carrot dangled in front of our noses, that residents will say yes to housing just to get them. You are all completely misguided if you think these developers are going to fund them from their own pockets and just hand them over to Liphook for nothing. EHDC really had no option other than to approve Lowsley Farm because Silent Garden had already gone to appeal and planning permission granted. Lowsley Farm more or less completes the quota of 600 houses for Liphook for the next 25 years. That is why we really, really need to give ourselves time to sort out where to put these community facilities. We need to support the Liphook football club in locating suitable premises that can be used NOW. We need an action group to sort out innovative ways of getting allotments or land sharing. It can be done - look at Hugh F-W! All you have to do is go on to the SDNP website listed in the previous posting. Look under Documents for the View from Station Road. Then go back and post your Comment on the planning website.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Helen (20th Jul 2012 - 17:13:13) We down at Newtown area of Liphook have had a flyer put through our door for a proposed development on the OSU site for 67 dwellings, and a care facility for those with learning difficulties. If all these developments are to pass how are the following going to cope:- 1 The schools. 2 The doctors surgeries. 3 The supermarket. 4 Drainage. I feel Liphook has got too big with very little ammenties to go with all the dwellings that have sprung up in the last 20 years.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Jeanette (20th Jul 2012 - 21:28:15) Re query on OSU site That is interesting. Who issued the flyer? There is nothing on EHDC planning about a revised application. At present there is just outline planning granted on the site. To answer some of your queries about things such as drainage - these come under reserve matters. In other words the developer cant begin building until plans showing how drainage etc is going to be dealt with amongst a lot of other things. Developers have to pay a contribution towards facilities such as education and transport. Please start a new thread referring to OSU site with all the details you can give about this flyer. Just so this doesn't get merged into a general planning debate. Thanks.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Peter r (21st Jul 2012 - 16:55:08) It was a pleasure to read Jeanette's postings of 19 and 20 July in the Bohunt Manor Frontage Land thread They were well informed and well written - what a refreshing change. She has spearheaded the main point. No application has yet been submitted to EHDC for housing on Bohunt Manor land. DO NOT LOSE SIGHT of this when proposals for medical and sport facilities and allotments are waved in front of you. As Jeanette rightly said, they are there to pave the way for developers WHO WILL MORE THAN LIKELY submit an application for housing. Nothing is given away, everything comes at a price. In her last positng under the same heading but with a subheading re: Query of OSU site she is quite right in that this should be a separate Thread otherwise the two will get hopelessly entwined and they are nothing to do with each other. Jeanette, you should be on the Planning Committee because you are obviously intelligent, knowledgeable and clear- thinking - just what Bramshott and Liphook needs right now.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - liz (23rd Jul 2012 - 09:40:55) Jeanette is certainly quite right in her comments. However despite these issues being drawn to people's attention many many times on this site, there seems to be very little concern which is a pity. Too many people are not seeing beyond the sports fields and the medical centre.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - tony-tcm (23rd Jul 2012 - 20:21:23) Is it true that the previous owner donated the land to the WWF to become either a nature reserve or their regional HQ? If so I'll bet he's looking down on them now and using a few unsavoury adjectives! Should have got a better lawyer to draft the terms of his will perhaps because they apparently went and sold it for developement at the first opportunity. My donations go to the NT and definately NOT the WWF! On a more practical note how about a long hoped for swimming pool?

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Jean (23rd Jul 2012 - 20:48:17) Jeanette's recent postings under the Bramshott Manor Land frontage were brilliant - accurate, concise and to the point instead of some of the other postings on this subject which just confuse people. No housing application for this land has been submitted to EHDC. Liz has also grasped the situation. The developers will not give any land away for the development of medical centres, sports facilities, allotments or anything else, nor will they fund them without some incentive to do so, ie the easing of their path to eventual housing development. I am sure that no one wants that. Liphook has had more than enough "new dwellings" built in recent years and there comes a saturation point, beyond which Liphook will become a sprawling, over-developed mass with insufficient infrastructure. Well done, Jeanette and Liz - it is a pity someone from the planning committee cannot make this sort of statement instead of leaving it to Councillor Dawn Hoskins to do so. She is not on the planning committe - "it irritates her too much" and she does not always get her facts straight ie her statement about the proposed medical centre duly corrected by Dr Julian Bashforth. I know it has been suggested on more than one occasion that people should attend the relevant meetings. However, not everyone can attend meetings and Liphook Talkback would be a great way for the Council, occasionally, to clarify important issues and allay electors' concerns. It is true that Parish Councils do not have any executive powers but a well run and efficient parish council does have influence, their input is incredibly important and I think Councillor Dawn Hoskins underestimates this fact. EHDC do listen to Parish Councils, they do take note and remember Councillor Bill Mouland is a parish councillor as well as a district councillor representing Bramshott & Liphook. He has a voice and there are also two other Bramshott & Liphook District Councillors, namely Councillors Glass and Asshton who have your best interests at heart. So please Bramshott and Liphook Parish Council do not just sit back and assume that you have no influence in what goes on in Liphook with regard to planning or anything else. YOU DO and so do the people in Liphook if they are properly represented and informed, so forget medical centres etc at this stage and find out exactly what the developers have in mind for the Bohunt Land. I, for one, would like to see the hedgerows and land re-instated to its rural glory and not developed with more new houses.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Paul Robinson (24th Jul 2012 - 00:02:30) For the record I was charged with dealing with the two planning applications relating to the Bohunt Manor frontage Land and the following reports were submitted at the Meeting of BLPC Planning Meeting held on Monday 16th July ay the Parish Office. These reports were compiled after I had personally leafleted properties adjacent to the Bohunt Manor Frontage Land and spoken to as many people as I was able to contact. 1) Bohunt Manor Frontage Land Medical Centre Reserved Matters Planning Application Case No: SDNP/12/00455/REM This is a Reserved Matters Application made on behalf of the landowners Green Village Investments by their agents G L Hearn in respect of the proposed medical centre and associated works, the subject of an outline planning application 39366/010 which was registered on 20th November 2009 passed on 11th June 2010. This committee’s job is to evaluate and consider, using all the information presented, the following three factors as they apply to this proposed development 1) Appearance 2) Scale 3) Landscaping As outlined and described in their application. In considering the above we should remind ourselves of the history of this proposed development. Outline planning permission was considered by this committee on 14th December 2009 and passed with no objections. Notice of outline planning permission was granted by E.H.D.C. on 11th June 2010. At the time both surgeries were keen to pusue this proposal. Also at the time there was no other land available to accommodate this development. Since this initial application the land has now become part of the South Downs National Park and the central coalition Government’s attitude to funding new build General Practice surgeries has been curtailed. It should also be noted that suitable ‘brown field’, employment land in the centre of the village has now become available. Appearance At first sight the building itself would appear to be too close to the Portsmouth Road and, in particular, to the proposed new roundabout. The two metre high ‘Passive Ventilation Stacks’ (x5) dominate the roof line. Whilst, no doubt, environmentally desirable, they give the impression of a hop barn or brewery. The design is not inkeeping with adjacent properties. Scale This proposed building, whilst in proportion to the surrounding area, of car park and physic garden etc, dominates the sightline from Station Road and adjacent properties which currently enjoy one of the finest views in the village across rolling parkland. If, as envisaged in G. L. Hearn’s Proposal dated January 2010, the remainder of the Bohunt Manor frontage land is to be used for housing, Liphook will lose its only aspect over S.D.N.P land. Landscaping The proposal for landscaping the immediate area around the medical centre is indeed both ambitious and attractive. This Council would need to be assured of arrangements with future tenants for the maintenance and upkeep of this aspect of the proposed development. For the above reasons in respect of the Appearance and Scale of the building this committee does not support this application 2) Planning Application Case No: SDNP/12/00780/FUL 16TH July 2012 Bohunt Manor Barn Community Farm Building Outline planning permission was granted on 11th June 2010 for allotments to the south of Bohunt Manor Frontage Land. This outline planning application made no mention of any buildings connected with the allotment site. This land is now part of the South Downs National Park. In the proposal prepared by G. L. Hearn on behalf of the land owners Green Village Investments, Ref: 39366/011 received Friday 13th November 2009 and validated on Monday 15th February 2010, no mention was made of any free standing buildings in connection with the allotment site. In none of this applicant’s submissions is mention made of any management agency responsible for the supervision, running, management and security to this site and or buildings described as village/community amenities. It is therefore assumed that this would appear to be a commercial development and, as such, should be judged accordingly. The proposed building, whilst surrounded by rabbit and deer proof fencing, is located in a remote, unobserved area and is likely to be the target for vandalism I recommend that for the above reasons this application be rejected. Those who attended this meeting, and the Parish Council were delighted that so many had bothered to attend, will know that both applications were unanimously rejected. I should love to mount a spirited defence of the Parish Council and of the Planning Committee in particular but having just come in from the another full Council meeting I am really not in the right frame of mind. Councillor Paul Robinson

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - liz (24th Jul 2012 - 08:41:12) There is, somewhere, a plan produced by L G Hearn (which has been shown on this site before) which shows plans for mixed use development of the Bohunt site with a large number of houses and a road connecting the 'old A3' near the Station Road junction (if I remember correctly) to the Longmoor Road. This is the ultimate aim of 'Green Village Investments'. I'm just hoping the National Park status will prevent this. it would be such a pity as the Holman's did leave Bohunt to the WWF to protect the natual beauty of the area.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - h (24th Jul 2012 - 09:58:03) Thank you Councillor Robinson for your work on this. It is interesting to note that we also have three district councillors, and one who is also on the Parish Council. Do we know their views on this? Is that councillor also on the planning committee which is after all a very important committee even if they are only a consultee in the process? They should be available to talk to the public on this. Also I thought under the localism act that developers are required to get public opinion before starting any project?

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Jean (29th Jul 2012 - 14:35:45) Thank you Councillor Robinson for your very informative posting. However I was intrigued by the last paragraph regarding your comments about your feeling unable to mount a spirited defence of the parish council and of the planning committee in particular as you had just come in from another full council meeting and consequently you were not in the right frame of mind. I can only assume that a certain councillor, with a tendency to bucholic and protracted outbursts, has been up to his old tricks again. Would you care to elaborate on your comments because obtuse references are not a great deal of help if you really want to make a difference or change anything? I think I have very good idea to what you are alluding, but I doubt that many other people have. I am also wondering if the parish council is going to respond to H.s posting asking for the views of the 3 Bramshott and Liphook District Councillrs on the Bohunt Manor land. As usual there is a deafening silence whenever the parish council is asked to respond to any posting. Is this due to a natural aversion to Liphook Talkback? - and please do not say that if electors want to know more they should attend meetings or go the Parish Office. Would one really want to attend meetings after Councillor Robinson's remarks about the last full council meeting and walking into the parish office would be like walking into a nest of vipers. You never know when a strike will be made.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - h (29th Jul 2012 - 21:05:02) My response was asking for views of the DIstrict Councillors not the parish council, who have had their say when the item came up for discussion at the last planning sub committee meeting. I believe the consensus was to ask for a refusal. The District Councillor who is also a Parish Councillor is Councillor Mouland.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Peter R (1st Aug 2012 - 20:11:22) There are two separate issues here but they will obviously be linked. The first, as I understand the situation, is the proposal for offering some land on Bohunt Manor for a new medical centre, possible sports facilities and possible allotments by the owners/developers. That has been put before the parish council, has been debated and apparently the consensus was for refusal. Please someone correct me if I am wrong. The second issue of housing development on this land has not actually been proposed yet, nor has a planning application been submitted. It seems more than likely that there will be an application for housing development on Bohunt Manor land submitted if the first proposal for allowing facilities to be built becomes a planning application and permission is granted for this. Councillor Mouland is both a parish and district councillor so is in an excellent position to make the views of the electorate clear when the time comes. He will also be able to keep Cllrs Asshton and Glass fully apprised of the situation so that they are well informed should an application for housing development on Bohunt Manor land become a reality, because I am sure no one in Liphook would welcome this. That is the reason for having a parish council to make sure that electors are fully informed and to gauge their views. The parish council will then be a strong position to make these views and comments known to EDHC as and when appropriate. Forewarned is forearmed. I think the influence of a cohesive and intelligent parish council is being underestimated by some of our present parish councillors. It is true that parish councils cannot make decisions but they can have tremendous input and exercise considerable influence with EHDC. However, in order to have a parish council capable of achieving this, the parish councillors need to be focused on the important issues, not sidetracked by irrelevancies. A parish council also needs a strong and efficient parish clerk and councillors and clerk should work in harmony for the common good of their parish not fighting between themselves. Debate and discussion is good, pointless arguments and power struggles are bad.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - liz (2nd Aug 2012 - 08:29:52) Peter. There is already outline planning permission for the sports fields and medical centre on the Bohunt site, not sure if you are aware of that. After this it is an easier step to full planning. (No funding needs to be in place). Then another easier step for housing, we have to be very vigilant. I also seem to remember that the Parish Council at the time were in favour of the planning application for the medical centre and sports facilites but I can't be absolutely sure. No-one could blame them for that in isolation, but I felt at the time they should be more open about the implications. I also got the impression that the PC at the time were in favour of the full development of the site as a 'good thing' for Liphook, but that is just an opinion formed after comments made at the time.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Peter R (2nd Aug 2012 - 17:44:38) Liz No I was not aware at the time of my posting that outline permission had been granted for the sports field and medical centre etc, but having read The Herald today I am now. That is bad news and a big mistake and not really thought through which is exactly why I said what I did in my previous posting about parish councils needing to be cohensive, informed and focused in order to influence any decision taken by EHDC. I sincerely hope that the parish council were not in favour of housing development on Bohunt Manor, but surely if this was discussed at a parish meeting there will be a record in the minutes. Bramshott and Liphook parish council really have to make a concerted effort against this possible planning application for housing development at Bohunt Manor which I feel would be disastrous for Liphook, and not just hide behind the mantra that they do not have any executive powers or voting rights on planning applications. This fact is well known but they do have the opportunity to debate and discuss at parish level and as a result be able to influence any decision made by EHDC. EDHC will listen to balanced and well presented arguments against developments. However they will not respond to "rants", unfounded accusations and irrational behaviour. Liphook and Bramshott have three district councillors all of whom must be aware of how electors are feeling about this possible development. If they are not aware they should be. Liphook and Bramshott parish council have I am sure some good and well meaning people who want to do the best the the parish, but the parish council does not seem to have "their eye on the ball" which is why what is happening is happening. As long as the dissention within the parish council continues, it cannot be focused and aware and pre-empt situations such as this now very possible application for housing on Bohunt Manor.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - liz (3rd Aug 2012 - 09:26:31) If the account in the Haslemere Herald is correct (it would be a first!) then Paul Robinson and the PC have done their very best to oppose the application. With due respect to all concerned they are up against (as are we all) professional, well funded opposition who have plenty of time, expertise and resources to pursue multiple applications until they get what they want. Unfortunately it is far cheaper for EHDC and the National Park Authority to give in than object to continued applications. Remember the original application was from Gerriwell Management, based in Lichtenstein - presumably because they liked the climate. Not sure about 'Green Village (they are taking the mickey!) Investments' but I bet it has the same directors. These people can be beaten if there is sufficient objection but I'm not sure there is the will (or funding) at higher levels. There is now a very urgent need to complete a comprehensive local plan it would be our only real defence - not sure what has happened to that.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - antoinette (3rd Aug 2012 - 11:36:25) Please don't forget to put in your objection to this planning application by 7 August 2012 with the SDNP on their site: http://planningpublicaccess.southdowns.gov.uk/online-application, quoting SDNP/12/00455/REM or type in "Bohunt Manor". There are two applications on which to comment—the medical centre and the community barn.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - liz (3rd Aug 2012 - 13:36:38) So they are providing land for a medical centre, sports pitches, allotments, a rare breeds paddock, a community barn, a disabled garden and a schools garden. How kind (!) There's the carrot, now wait for the stick.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - peter (3rd Aug 2012 - 14:43:03) Jeez Liz, so they are providing: 1. land for a medical centre 2. football pitches 3. cricket pitch 4. allotments 5. a rare breeds paddock 6. a disabled (persons) garden 7. a schools garden I also see from the application that they are proposing: 8. a public park 9. a new public nature reserve ...and from earlier threads on this site: 10. land for a new library 'REJOICE, REJOICE' I hear echoing down the ages (some of you will know what I am talking about here) What did we as a community get out of the Lowsley Farm developers, or the Silent Garden developers, or what will we get out of the OSU developers The answer: Absolutely nothing ! I think we should be talking seriously to these guys, as they can offer everything the the community needs. What is wrong with a 'carrot' anyway ? Isn't that what all of us do when we offer our services as employees to some employer - the 'stick' for the employer is having to pay us at the end of the day, but it is generally an equitable and fair arrangement for all parties. Just a shame that the other developers got the better of us. I fear many of these comments are rooted in jealously, ie the land owner will make a buck ! For God sake grow up. Liz, would you for instance cut some old lady's grass without payment (or whatever it is you did or do for a living), or have you ever made any difference to your community in a tangible way? We should be rolling out the red carpet for the land owners of Bohunt Manor, whilst extracting as much from the community as possibly from them, and also taking care to ensure whatever it is they are proposing is done to the highest design standards. (before moving on, perhaps the reader should take time to re-read the items !. - 10.)

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - peter (3rd Aug 2012 - 18:35:21) OOPS, I forgot to mention the Community Barn, that now makes eleven outstanding prizes for the village. Who else will provide these facilities (football club, what do you think?) or where else can we put them eg the recent fiasco with the proposed extension to the Tunbridge Lane Allotments. Is there another land owner we could approach in the Liphook area to give us the land for these facilities and will this then need someone top progress the necessary planning applications. Perhaps we should just forgo any idea of having any of these facilities in Liphook. I guess we could always travel out to Bordon Eco Town in due course, or Petersfield or Haslemere/Guildford, but that is not going to be very sustainable. What is the Parish Council going to do to get us these facilities elsewhere. If well designed housing at Bohunt Manor pays for all this, isn't that the way to go. At least we could have a say in how everything is set out. (Maybe those of us with young families should just move to Haslemere or Petersfield where they have all these facilities)

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Jeanette (4th Aug 2012 - 11:50:53) Councillor Paul Robinson has clearly put in a huge amount of work relating to Bohunt Manor. The information in his postings gives precise guidelines as to the headings under which objections should be posted. We are stressing the need to object to these current applications in order to give Liphook time to unite and get these facilities delivered in the quickest time and in the best place. Councillor Robinson has said about the amount of personal effort he has put in and must be applauded. It is totally unfair for residents to expect our Parish Council to take sole responsibility for action, they have to show they have majority backing from the people of Liphook. Unfortunately only a few people use Talkback but there have been some eloquent and heartfelt responses from those who obviously care deeply about the future of Liphook. We now have a Localism Bill and Community Forum which is beginning to show that communities can achieve a lot for their area. Therefore whilst still urging everyone to object and also to tell your neighbours and friends to do the same I would like to invite anyone who is interested in starting an action group to get the right development and the best community facilities to contact me at jeanettekirby@live.co.uk.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Peter R (6th Aug 2012 - 16:25:29) I was not aware at the time of my posting that outline permission had been granted for the sports field and medical centre etc, but having read The Herald last Thursday I am now. I do not feel that the whole matter has been thought through which is exactly why I said what I did in my previous posting about parish councils needing to be cohensive, informed, focused and in touch with local feeling in order to influence any decision taken by EHDC. I do not know if the parish council were in favour of housing development on Bohunt Manor, but surely if this was discussed at a parish meeting there will be a record in the minutes. Since beginning this posting there have been two other postings by Peter, not to be confused with myself. I note everything that he has said, but what it really comes down to is this. Do the majority of Liphook parishioners want housing development on the land at Bohunt Manor? If the answer is yes, then I agree we have to negotiate hard with the developers to get whatever facilities we can. It must be noted that at the moment the developers are offering the land and not the funding. However, if the answer is no, and the majority of people do not want Bohunt Manor land developed for housing, then I agree with Liz, there has to be sufficient objection which brings me back to my original point, we must have a strong planning committe on the parish council who will research local feeling and produce the evidence at the appropriate time. Most importantly there must be good planning reasons why developments should not be given permission. I do emphasise the words "good planning reasons". To influence EHDC it will do no good to produce emotive and irrelevant objections. As far as I am, aware the land at Bohunt Manor is outside the development area and that is the best planning reason of all for objection. The area is also now part of the South Downs National Park, so another authority will also be involved and have input. I do take issue with Liz's statement that it is "far cheaper for EHDC to give in than object to continued applications." In the first place it is not EHDC's money that is spent on rejecting planning applications and fighting appeals, it is the taxpayers' money and in the second place it is true that EHDC do give permission for an application if there are no sound planning reasons for refusal and if they think that in all probability, in spite of local objections, it will be won on appeal, thereby saving taxpayers' money. I personally feel that any more large scale housing developments in Liphook would be disastrous, but I am only one person and as a firm believer in the concept of demcracy, one must abide by the decision of the majority. The Holmans left the land and Manor to WWF which irather infers that they wanted the area to remain a rural habitat rather than to be developed. Bearing this in mind as well and if the majority of people in Bramshott and Liphook do not want the land developed, the parish council must make a concerted effort against any planning application for housing development and not just hide behind the mantra that they do not have any executive powers or voting rights on planning applications. This fact is well known but they do have the opportunity to debate and discuss at parish level and as a result be able to influence any decisions made by EHDC. EDHC will listen to balanced and well presented arguments against developments. However they will not respond to "rants", unfounded accusations and irrational behaviour. Liphook and Bramshott have three district councillors all of whom should take "sound bites" of local feeling in order to represent local opinion at district council level. Lastly I totally agree with Liz's statement that there is now a very urgent need to have a comprehensive local plan for Bramshott and Liphook. Liphook and Bramshott parish council have I am sure some good and hardworking people who want to do the best the the parish and I am not in anyway suggesting the the whole burden and responsibility should rest of the shoulders of Bramshott and Liphook parish council. Having said that our sitting councillors volunteered for the job, they were not coerced into it and with that comes responsibility, but at the moment the parish council does not seem to have "their eye on the ball" which is why what is happening is happening. As long as the dissention within the parish council continues, it cannot be focused and aware and pre-empt situations such as this now very possible application for housing on Bohunt Manor. Clear thinking, reasoned objections and a strong local plan are of paramount importance for the future development of Bramshott and Liphook. Finally I would also like to add my thanks to Councillor Robinson for his research and hard work to date.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Jeanette (6th Aug 2012 - 18:17:26) Given the amount of opposition to the planning application at Lowsley Farm together with the large number of comments from the village questionnaire and the current responses to the Love/Hate about Liphook forms, I would say that most people are against more housing. Those who actually want more housing are either in the minority or they are the developers! To be able to counter unwanted development then you have to think like a developer. The reason GVI want the medical centre in the middle of the Portsmouth Road boundary is because it leaves two large gaps either side which they can push for infill as they are technically changing the settlement boundary. It would have been more easily accessed by road or foot if built close to the Church Centre. In addition, building it smack in the middle of the most stunning views of the SDNP provides ammunition for GVI to come back in the future to say that if this development is approved then it cannot be used as a reason to refuse other development. Believe me - at some time in the future they WILL apply for housing. We already have approval for around 600 new homes to be built. Liphook needs time to adjust to this growth and assess how our roads, schools, doctors, dentists, shops are going to cope. We can\'t keep saying that the Parish Council have to do something, or rely on the Parish Plan to have an influence. We have to unite and formally give them our backing by commenting on these two applications. The priority now, at this point in time, is to get our comments in in order to delay a decision being made. Then as I\'ve said before, we need to get a proper working group together to get these facilities in the right place at the right time and at the right cost.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - bdavies (6th Aug 2012 - 18:21:04) None of the incentives on offer include what must be referred to as essential contributions to infrastructure improvement. Contributions to enhanced schooling in existing schools, jobs, shops etc. etc. seem to have been left out of the equation whilst references are made to the new surgery (is it really needed as we have two already?) the pitches and the allotments that do not benefit everyone even though they are nice to have. An action group is a great idea. Can a page be established on liphook.co.uk so that we can register to join? What needs to be watched for is the minor changes to submitted plans that mean that we have to object again to the same building project. This is the way building firms get their way as people get fed up with objecting.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - liz (6th Aug 2012 - 21:49:04) Peter I'm not sure what my grass cutting abilities have to do this but we regularly cut our elderly neighbours grass if that makes you feel better! As for jealousy I work in business and have no objection to people making a profit. It is naive people like you the developers love - they are not doing this for the good of the community just for their own gain and the only problem I have with this it will be at huge detriment to Liphook which in recent years has developed far too fast as many people obviously realise.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - liz (7th Aug 2012 - 06:30:45) On reflection, Peter, perhaps you ARE the developer. You would of course Rejoice, Rejoice if the development of Bohunt yoManor went ahead. Perhaps seeing yourself as a great contributor to the community and of course expecting nothing in return except planning permission to build hundreds of houses across Liphook's small part of the South Downs National Park. We want to be the gateway to this park, not the sprawling suburbia on the edge of it.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Jeanette (7th Aug 2012 - 15:27:30) Have you all put in your comments to these two applications yet? Don't put it off - the more objections means that SDNP/EHDC will have to review the applications thorougly!

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - jean (8th Aug 2012 - 08:46:12) Good morning Jeanette In view of the fact that the medical centre etc has been given outline permission by EDHC to be built on Bohunt Manor land where would you suggest it is placed always supposing that funding can be raised? It would be really helpful to know.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Jeanette (8th Aug 2012 - 13:18:01) Hello Jean Councillor Paul Robinson mentioned that other brownfield sites are now available in Liphook so we need to have input from the Parish Council. Dr Bashforth has confirmed that the two surgeries do want to merge into one medical centre but they are having difficulty with obtaining funding because of NHS cutbacks. This clearly shows us that GVI are not going to finance a medical centre for Liphook. In reality all they have done so far is apply for the planning permission and then they sit back and wait for someone else to pay for the building! This also means that if other more suitable sites are identified in Liphook then planning permission can also be applied for there. It then becomes a decision to be made by the surgeries as to which is more viable. Can I throw in an open question and ask where other people think a suitable site for the medical centre could be?

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Marion (8th Aug 2012 - 14:19:02) Beyond the Links Pub you can see a fenced off area to the south , is this for the supposed allotment area ?

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Jeanette (8th Aug 2012 - 15:48:39) Yes that is where the allotments are, and GVI have applied to put up a community barn even further into the SDNP. They could argue that it wont be seen from the road but that is not the point. Their next step would be to propose having accommodation there for security purposes, then it would be a residential use and hey ho its the next step to housing!

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Peter R (8th Aug 2012 - 16:08:17) I read Jeanette’s posting with interest. There are two issues. The first is the proposed new medical centre which has outline planning permission. The second which may well follow on is a possible application for housing on Bohunt Manor land. With regard to her final paragraph and the application for medical facilities etc I totally agree with her remarks that input from the electors of Liphook is extremely important, because this could influence their siting, but if must be remembered that outline permission has already been granted by EHDC on this particular site, not on any other site. If a different site is chosen such as another brownfield site then a further application has to be made and I doubt GVI will do this - they would have nothing to gain. - they want a medical centre on Bohunt Manor land for all the reasons previously stated and Jean confirms in her posting that they have no intention of funding this. The surgeries would like to merge but funding may be a problem due to NHS cutbacks. Referring to Jeanette's second paragraph I would say that most people are fully aware that the reasons for the GVI’s apparent generosity in “giving or releasing” land for various facilities stem from their desire to develop Bohunt Manor land and this is a way of easing their path. It is not rocket science and I have yet to meet an altruistic developer so I think we do know already exactly how they are thinking. The point that seems to have been missed or at least not highlighted in Jeanette’s posting is the fact that this land is OUTSIDE the development area for HOUSING. It is also is now part of the Southdowns National Park which is was not when the outline permission for the medical centre etc was granted and I emphasised this fact in my previous posting. These two facts are of paramount importance. The best planning reason in the world for non-development of land is the one that states that the land in question is outside the development area, and it cannot be ignored. With regard to parish council input, I did not say that they had to do something about the possible and I emphasise possible, proposed development at Bohunt Manor at this moment in time. No planning application for housing development on this land has been submitted so there is no immediate action to be taken. They do need to be aware of this possible/probable application being made and plan accordingly. What the parish council should have done would have been to question the motives of GVI when they placed the application for the medical centre. They should have been aware of the possible "knock -on" effect. Unfortunately there has been so much dissention within the parish council that important matters have been overlooked. The parish councillors are our elected representatives for whom we voted to make sure that the wishes of their parishoners, which are of paramount importance, are taken into consideration when decisions about their parish are taken. I did say that to achieve this they must be a cohesive and focused parish council which is not what they are at the moment. Only in this way will they be effective. They must stop in-fighting and having long, pointless and protracted arguments about irrelevancies and be aware of what is happening to Bramshott and Liphook. Above all there needs to be a comprehensive, forward thinking local plan so that when any application is put forward the parish council are best placed to represent the wishes of their electors in the most effective way. By all means have an Action Group about the proposed medical centre or any other application on Bohunt Manor land but what will make the difference, as and when an application is submitted, is parish council’s input and their ability to make as many people in the parish aware of the application. The more individual letters of objection that are written by electors at the time of the submission of an application, the better. This is what makes the difference. But please, please remember at the moment Bohunt Manor land is outside the development area.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Jeanette (8th Aug 2012 - 18:09:23) There have been a number of legislative changes recently - most notably the Localism Bill and the Sustainability Act. Developers have already used this to gain planning permission because this government wants lots of housing both to stimulate the economy and also because there is a housing shortage. GVI have made it clear they want to build houses. The government state that the presumption will be in favour of development. I accept that as population grows we will continuously need more housing, however we have planning approval for three large housing estates in Liphook which meets the current requirement of the Joint Core Strategy. We may possibly be able to oppose additional large-scale housing for a few years but there are quite a few sites in Liphook that could absorb more housing on a smaller and probably more acceptable scale without the necessity to spoil the landscape and the ecology of the SDNP. A group is needed not to have a knee-jerk reaction to an imagined housing estate but to plan what development and where it should be in Liphook. This could then be incorporated into a Neighbourhood Plan which if accepted has legally to be taken into account in any future planning applications. Residents seem to be under the impression that the Parish Plan is the responsibility of the Parish Council - it is not. The whole idea is for members of the community to get together to formulate it. It is being put together by a small group and hopefully a presentation will be made soon, at which time more input will be sought from the community. Once the Parish Plan is accepted the next step is the Neighbourhood Plan but surely it is better to start getting involved now because you can be sure that developers like GVI are not going to wait for us!

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - bdavies (8th Aug 2012 - 21:41:34) A complete census of opinion was already sought and gained with a community wide survey that was compiled some time back. The results of that were clear and unambiguous and more housing was definitely not one of the things eagerly sought after. Yes ownership means everyone but how do you expect keen ownership to continue when, after engaging the whole community in an expensive and comprehensive survey of opinion, the results are completely ignored?

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Jeanette (9th Aug 2012 - 06:47:52) The survey is definitely not being ignored, it is being used as part of the research documents for the Parish Plan. But it is simply not professional to just say 'Oh we don't want more houses', that is not a valid argument. We are obliged to use the Joint Core Strategy, the new Planning Policy Framework, take account of economic, social and environmental sustainability, relate to our existing settlement such as the conservation areas and the hamlets as well as the existing settlement boundaries. And settlement boundaries DO change over time - dont forget that Silent Garden extended the boundary and even the SDNP boundary had to be reduced because they found that went through the middle of Silent Garden in the early stages. Being in the SDNP does not mean a community is safe from development. Petersfield is surrounded by the SDNP but they are still being asked to build several hundred new homes there!

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - A (9th Aug 2012 - 15:37:02) am i being incredibly naiive in believing that the houses, which are eventually going to appear, arent a bad thing building the houses does NOT stop liphook being a 'gateway to the park' it merely moves the gateway by probably 600 yards. i dont see why this is an issue, any development could be done to allow splendid views over the national park from this housing estate. also facilities wise, there will be enough medical space, enough sports facilities, allotment areas for these new residents. The schools have all grown recently so would be able to absorb say 50 more students per year group, we have an incredibly large supermarket and several small independent retailers who i am sure would all welcome a wider customer base particularly in these economic times. I just dont see what the issue is

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Kevin (9th Aug 2012 - 17:20:47) Lets just hope one way or another that the people posting the negative comments aren't posting comments later on about iressponsible youths/teenagers behaviour in and around the village!! i have lived here for 30 years and other than a skate park, nothing has been supplied since to give locals anything to do other than congregate in your roads, outside your houses making noise or causing disturbances! This doesn't bother me as i was recently one of these people but i do recall time and time again being asked to move on or take my fun elsewhere!! Where to take this is the question??? Please don't think i'm against or for anything in particular i just wish that someone would have a serious look into a new area for leisure activities of some description as during these school holidays all i've seen is kids roaming the streets with not a lot to do!! We used to go to places like the bombpits or radford but the days of trusting people are long gone so i wouldn't feel comfortable allowing my daughter or son to do likewise but maybe a supervised area or centre would allow people to do this and also create jobs or work for the older group of teenagers who could maybe earn money by supervising these ares or centres (obviously after full crb checks etc have been made before i get lynched for suggeting that!!) I look forward to the positive and negative feedback!! P.S. How many fields, trees beautiful scenery do we need in Liphook as it seems we do still have an awful lot of this in and around the vvillage!

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Jeanette (9th Aug 2012 - 17:30:08) Well you could also ask why do we have National Parks or SSSIs or Jurassic Coasts. It is because they are valued. There is formal landscape evaluation, carried out on a rigorous basis. It might include scenic quality, a sense of place, unspoilt character, conservation interests etc. Bohunt Manor has been included in the SDNP because of landscape evaluation. It is also about environmental sustainability. Heard of the phrase Meeting the needs of future generations? If you destroy this area then it is gone forever. A gateway is not literally a gate! Think of the whole of Liphook as the gate, or the opening on to the SDNP. How are people going to know its there unless they can see it. Those views should remain for residents, visitors and future generations. There are plenty of sites around Liphook which can accommodate more housing in future years without spoiling this jewel.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Peter R (10th Aug 2012 - 16:13:49) I refer to the last paragraph of Jeanette's posting of 8 August I do not know if residents are under the impression that the Parish Plan is the responsibility of the parish council. I certainly am not under this impression and this is reflected in my posting of 8 August and I quote "above all there needs to be a comprehensive, foward thinking local plan so that when any application is put forward the parish council are best placed to respresent the wishes of their electors in the most effective way." I did not say anything about the parish council being responsible for the Parish Plan. However I would qualify this by saying that although the parish councils do not have sole responsibility for the parish plan, pro-active parish councils do take the initiative in the formation of a local plan by involving and inviting local groups to put forward ideas and preferences. According to the web under Bramshott & Liphook Parish Plan, Tony Groves, the then parish clerk, in 2010, on behalf of the parish council, invited local groups to take part in the formation of a Local Plan. I could not find anything more recent than this in spite of Jeanette's statement that and I quote "it is being put together by a small group and hopefully a presentation will be made soon." Rather vague, who is this local group and is there any information on the web. As Tony Groves was suspended in October, 2011 could this be the reason for the lack of information on the web? What Jeanette said in her posting dated 9 August that one cannot state "we don't want more houses" is not strictly true. This can be said, but reasons for saying it must be clearly stated ie insufficient infrastructure ie schools, roads etc etc and most importantly water. I know that this seems a strange thing to say after the summer we have been having, but it is a very real concern and must be taken extremely seriously when new developmens are built. I know that in Bordon re the proposed Eco Town development, this has already been flagged up as a potential problem ie if the development goes ahead on the scale being discussed there will not be enough water available. So let us get down to basics and cut out all the flower phraseology in Jeanette's posting dated 9 August. Bottom line is are there enough environmental, social and structural resources in place to sustain further development in Liphook, if not can they be put in place and do the people of Liphook want more housing development in Liphook?

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - jean (13th Aug 2012 - 18:20:14) I, too would be very interested to have some response to Peter R's question regarding public feeling in Liphook about further development. Are people for or against more development in Liphook? Perhaps this could be qualified by prefixing the word development with the word "large as it would be unreasonable to argue that there should be no more building in Liphook such as the small "one off" developments. Perhaps the parish council could place an item on the Agenda of the next Community Forum Meeting(Whitehill,Bordon, Liphook, Headley, Grayshott, Lindford, Greatham). I believe these meetings are held 4 times a year at different venues within the parishes for debate and for local people to voice their feelings, wishes and opinions about matters concerning their individual parishes.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - H (14th Aug 2012 - 11:33:46) In my opinion the groundswell of feeling is that no new housing should be allowed in a national park. The lowsley farm development has been granted permission, and that covers any housing needs for the area.The district council will not allow housing estates to be built unless they are on a reserve site, and this land is not.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - dawn (14th Aug 2012 - 11:55:44) bramshottandliphook-pc.gov.uk/parish-plan

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - liz (14th Aug 2012 - 13:42:46) Dawn - I was hoping this would be a link to our Parish Plan. A lot of survey information was collected for this some time ago. What has happened to it? Parish Plan's own website - www.liphookplan.co.uk

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Editor (14th Aug 2012 - 14:53:54) This 'Parish Profile' from 2006/2007 that I found on the EHDC web site makes interesting reading. Bramshott & Liphook Parish Profile To provide information for use by planners, developers and housing enabling officers to assist in the development of housing to meet the needs of people within the district. In 2002, 23% of residents did not want any more housing. Alan

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - H (14th Aug 2012 - 16:53:56) The correct place to place your comments for the planners to look at on this proposed development is the South downs National park website.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - H (14th Aug 2012 - 17:02:59) I have just entered my comments and so far only 13 have been registered on the website, and 8 for the community Barn.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Jean (15th Aug 2012 - 12:12:50) I did open the link posted by Dawn yesterday but as has been said previously nothing seems to have happenend on the local parish plan since 15/11/10 when Tony Groves the then Parish Clerk invited input from local groups for contributions to the local parish plan. I do not really see the point of posting a link which has not been updated. Liz states that there was data collated so what has happened to that? Has it been published, is it finished and if it is, have EHDC adopted it? Answers please or at least post a link that will give us the answers. Thanking you in anticipation.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Dawn Hoskins (15th Aug 2012 - 12:17:25) Hi Liz, I thought the Parish Survey was on-line? or a link to it at least. A huge amount of work was put into the survey by volunteers and councillors and it should definately be a public document. I imagine there has just been some sort of glitch but I will get back to you about it after finding out what the problem is [if there is one].

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Val (15th Aug 2012 - 15:42:46) I refer to Jeanette's posting of 9 August when she said that being in the SDNP will not prevent development saying Petersfield is being asked to have hundreds of houses built in spite of the fact that they are surrounded by the SDNP. The reason for this is simple . Those particular areas in Petersfield had already been designated for building in the last local plan and before the area was made part of SDNP. In other words the areas to which Jeanette refers in Petersfield now being developed, were zoned into the development area BEFORE their inclusion in the SDNP. Areas now within the SDNP are much, much more protected if they are outside areas already zoned for development and therefore to obtain planning permission for development is very difficult. Bohunt Manor land is one of these - it is outside the development area and part of the SDNP. However GVI do have outline permission for the medical centre on the land and the siting of this is crucial. If it were sited for the sake of argument with a gap between it and Liphook itself this could create an area which the developers could claim at a later date as an "infill" area, thereby easing their way to possible development. So it is very important that IF the medical centre which has outline planning permission, were to go ahead, and remember funding still has to be obtained, it is sited very close to Liphook itself.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - H (15th Aug 2012 - 19:36:56) Do not forget that the outline permission was granted before the area was designated SDNP status, so different planning criteria Will be used now. It is not a given that this will go ahead, and also as far as I am aware it needs some government funding to be built which is currently I believe is unobtainable. If you object to this go and say so on the SDNP website as there are at present few objections.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Val (16th Aug 2012 - 15:52:36) It is not correct to state that because the medical centre was given outline planning permission before the area was designated SDNP status, a different planning criteria will now be used. The outline permission remains unchanged but the detailed planning permission which is the next step may well have stricter conditions imposed upon it. However as I said in my previous posting it is the siting that is of the utmost importance to avoid any gap between the medical centre and Liphook itself as this could in the future become a possible area for infill development.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - H (16th Aug 2012 - 16:29:21) I think you will find that the planning criteria for any new build in a national park would be a lot stricter than that not in the National park.The question of where it is sited within the park to me means you assume permission will go ahead regardless?

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Tina (17th Aug 2012 - 10:02:40) Here we go again, yet more views in this thread from the same vocal minority and a dysfunctional parish council telling us that they do not want to see any new housing or any new facilities in our town. Yet despite or because of their best efforts, in the last year or so we have seen developers win planning consent for boxy houses for OVER 800 NEW RESIDENTS in the town, without the developers having to offer (or bribe as some like to call it) any meaningful facilities, amenities or spaces for the community whatsoever. Excuse me if I have missed something, but I thought that the town already desperately needed facilities, given how much it has grown and how little there is here already. This current trend in allowing more development even in the National Park has full government support and will just make our situation worse and worse in my view. Look at some of the Talkback threads that I last commented on, in October 2011 on how Lowsley Planning Affects Liphook or in January 2012 about More New homes for Liphook, and others besides. Or just read the regular press reports on the trouble even our successful Liphook United has with sub-standard facilities. We are now told that a developer called GVI has come along with something different to talk about. But this same biased bunch of so-called leaders and self appointed spokespersons is still trying to tell us just to slam the door in the developer’s face! Heavens above, when will they ever learn? Can you lot please try to listen carefully. We desperately need to improve what our growing but struggling town has to offer to the young and old alike, by way of jobs, recreation, sports, medical or whatever services. There is no alternative to proper grown-up discussion and there is no magic fairy to provide for these needs from public funds. Please can you just leave you personal prejudices and self interests at home and think for once of the needs of the whole community. Unlike all recent developers flooding here (and no doubt other developers already lining up to make fools of us), this bunch claim to have something worth listening to - which is exactly what we must start to do…and before you reply by simply trying to attack me again rather than deal with the issues, yes I do have an interest, which is my worry about the future that my kids will have here.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - liz (17th Aug 2012 - 10:48:05) Only the \'minority\' may contribute to this website but I can assure you that the view that far too many houses are being built in too short a time is not a minority view. If the full Bohunt development goes ahead we will have more facilities but so many more houses we will need even more facilties so where does it stop? There are also huge issues with power provision, not to mention drainage. However if you have not already been affected by these issues you perhaps don\'t care.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - liz (17th Aug 2012 - 14:13:48) Tina I have just read your thread again. You say that there is no magic fairy to provide the facilities from public funds which is quite true. However be assured that the developers won't pay for them. They will provide the land but we will almost certainly have to pay for that as well. This gives no advantage over other potential sites. Positions may be entrenched but that is because many of us value the beautiful landscape in which we live.

Re: Bohunt Manor Frontage Land - Val (17th Aug 2012 - 17:17:08) H, You say that "planning for any new build in a national park would be a lot stricter than not in the national park" and that is exactly what I said in my last posting. Any application for detailed planning following outline permission already granted for the medical centre is likely to be stricter now this area is within the SDNP. Outline permission has already been granted for a medical centre and that cannot be changed unless of course it is not implemented which would result in the permission lapsing (I think the timescale for this is 3 years). In addition funding has to be found as GVI are not likely to pay for a new medical centre. When GVI applied for outline permission for a medical centre on Bohunt Manor land this would have been discussed by the councillors on the planning committe of the parish council in the first instance. The result of what was discussed regarding this application and their comments would then have been taken into consideration by EHDC. If the wishes of the electors had been made clear in the comments of the parish council and it appeared that the majority of electors did not want the centre built on Bohunt Manor land, this would have been taken seriously by the planning officers of EHDC as there was a good planning reasons for refusal, ie the area was and is outside the development area. However if the parish council felt that a new medical centre built on Bohunt Manor land was welcomed by electors and conveyed this to EHDC then a decision would probably have been made by delegated powers and given permission, in other words the application would not to have come to committee. BUT if 5 or more electors wrote letters of objection to EHDC then the planning officers at EHDC would have to consult with the Liphook & Bramshott district councillors. If they as the local district councillors expressed a desire for the matter to be discussed at committe then that is the process which would have been followed. I would add to this that not all district councillors sit on the planning committee so if none of the Bramshott & Liphook district councillors actually sit on the planning committee then they would have to make their views and recommendations known to other councillors who are on the planning committe. However EHDC did give outline permission for a new medical centre to be built on Bohunt Manor land which rather speaks for itself. The follow on will be an application for detailed planning (I believe one has already been submitted and discussed by the parish council) and that is where the design, and more importantly the siting which is so crucial, will be decided. So yes, in answer to H's posting the medical centre could well be built on Bohunt Manor land but ONLY IF detailed planning is submitted and permission granted and IF the funding can be raised. I have just read Tina's posting and would say briefly that I think she is being a little naive. GVI are not the altrusitic developers she seems to think they are. All they are doing is offering a piece of land which is part of Bohunt Manor land, for a new medical centre. They will not pay for it or allow it to be built unless it is sited is such a position as to allow them to develop land for housing on an area, namely land at Bohunt Manor, which is outside the designated development area and now part of SDNP. If that is what the majority want they better say so. She is right about one thing though, we do have a dysfuntional parish council at the moment. In conclusion, I agree with Liz in everything she said in her last posting.

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